random question that probably doesnt have a direct answer but what are some instances that makes the km community believe they live together (km) also im km truther just fairly new here HEJDJDJDBD
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i am guy who needs a definite answer all the time so much and seeks it out constantly and so....having conducted so many deepdives on this exact topic....here is my summary of evidences:
> SUBTLE THINGS:
b) jimin specifically said he does not cook. and in that one thing where they were writing the profile for another member of the group, jin was writing for jimin right. and he had to write what each member was to jimin. and for jungkook, jin wrote "jungkook is my chef"
c) jimin brought up that jungkook's morning alarm is an autotuned baby's cry
d) jimin also described how jungkook snores, in detail
e) and that one time they had that question that was like "what do u like to do in the morning" and jimin was like "i like to see jungkook's face"
f) i don't know this myself because i don't rly watch current bangtan content but i hear they're "filming content in the dorm now" aka the dorm exists as a concept and not as an actual living space (i don't know if they're still filming 'dorm content' anymore but at one point they were)
i think you might've gathered from even just this much that a) the members do not live together anymore, and b) jikook seem to be living together. there is a lot more evidence but these are the most directly correlated to them living together. they keep referring to things that u could only know if u lived with someone or saw them around nighttime. and it seems like they were/are the only two that live together, because none of the other members have volunteered information at this level of intimacy about literally any of the other members, much less abt jm or jk.
i really wonder if its like a think they agreed with bighit to pretend abt or if its contractual....like did bighit say u better pretend ur a boyband to the extent we want or were they like fine we will pretend for a few more years. i have no answers for this i just think about it a lot
> APARTMENTS:
bts have bought like apartments in really expensive places like trimage, hannam hill, etc. it was hobi first in 2016, then the others followed over the years. jungkook was notably second: in 2016, he bought an apartment in trimage, which i heard was for his parents. then in 2018, he bought another apartment at trimage, presumably for himself. NOTABLY, jimin had not bought an apartment up until this point, but by 2019 every other member had.
~according to my sources~, jungkook then sold his trimage apartment in july 2020 (sale registered october 2020). and in december 2020, he bought a house in itaewon. combining a couple sources, though, it seems that this house was being rented out to "the representation of an international holding" from 2019 and will be rented out to them until september 2021. so he is not living there, and he sold his trimage apartment. furthermore, to register the itaewon house he bought, jungkook listed a nine one hannam address, and he also used that nine one hannam address to vote that year. and EVEN FURTHERMORE, in august when jungkook had already sold trimage and had not even purchased the itaewon house yet, he had someone come into his apartment twice to install a soundproof booth (and gave him an autograph for his sister). so we have to wonder....is his studio at nine one hannam? at a place he didn't even purchase? (note: jimin has still not bought a place of his own.)
in may 2021, namjoon officially became the owner of an apartment at nine one hannam, and one day after that jimin also became an owner of his own apartment at nine one hannam. (namjoon's was more expensive, because it has a terrace.) there was that one repairman that saw jimin at nine one hannam, but apparently he was told there were 3 members living in nine one hannam.
if we look at this apartment history, we can see that the times that jungkook and jimin owned and lived in their own purchased apartments have not coincided even once. furthermore, we can be fairly confident that jimin and namjoon are in nine one hannam, and most likely the third member at nine one hannam is jungkook. jungkook could either be staying at an apartment of his own there and simply not purchased it under his own name (which i believe he was doing in 2020 when he no longer owned trimage and was renting out his itaewon house), or -- and i find this is more likely to be true in 2021, considering all the other factors listed above in SUBTLE THINGS -- he is living with jimin at nine one hannam.
i would even go a step further and say that perhaps jimin bought the apartment jungkook was staying in, and that both of them are now living in that apartment with the soundproof booth jungkook got installed in 2020. because when i think of that -- it solves all the remaining questions. like why is jungkook staying at nine one hannam and getting a soundproof booth installed there instead of his itaewon house? and why would jungkook get a soundproof booth installed in an apartment he hasn't already bought and isn't buying? both questions are resolved if we consider the possibility that jimin bought that apartment under his name, and they're both living there together.
i hope this is helpful nonnie >_< i tried to be comprehensive since u r new!! but i think most ppl don't even know this stuff even if they are km truther so i may have went overboard haha
ahhhhh !! thank you so much, i appreciate how much effort you out into this 🤯and yeah i was scouring the internet and no one else seemed to think jimin was a type 3 i was shocked so im happy to see you agree. i also thought jk was a type 3 but after thinking about it he doesn't really display the 'negative' sides of a type 3. if you don't mind id love to hear your explanations :)))
(a very very unusual istp. i believe his istp nature is at odds with his 4w5 intellectual intentions, and this is where his seeming contradictions and internal dichotomies arise.)
“Okay so I had the most trouble when typing Rap Monster because he is just so unlike the traditional descriptions of his type; or maybe I was just over analyzing everything he was saying.”
(i had debated between 5w4 and 4w5 but i think the differences between namjoon and yoongi emphasize the difference between namjoon's "bohemian" nature and yoongi's "iconoclast" nature. they go about things in similar ways and have complimentary ideas but in the end their personal outlooks are different. yoongi is also much more of a thinker type than namjoon is, in the sense that yoongi prefers and values that logic and practicality whereas namjoon is fully capable of being logical and practical but chooses to focus on the philosophical and artistic side of life.)
“Then it was just a matter of debating between ISTP and INTP. His thoughts are very deep and theoretical which is a typical INTP trait BUT he has no Ne.”
“The Type 5 ISTP may find themselves particularly reliant on their introverted thinking and introverted intuition functions, and may find extroverted sensing to be somewhat of a blind spot, as they rarely feel comfortable acting until they have thoroughly scrutinized a given circumstance. This type of ISTP is most likely to be mistaken as an INTP by others, as they may be less quick to act upon their impulses than other Se-driven types.”
“Basic Desire: To have inner stability "peace of mind"”
“We have sometimes called the Nine *the crown of the Enneagram* because it is at the top of the symbol and because it seems to include the whole of it. Nines can have the strength of Eights, the sense of fun and adventure of Sevens, the dutifulness of Sixes, the intellectualism of Fives, the creativity of Fours, the attractiveness of Threes, the generosity of Twos, and the idealism of Ones. However, what they generally do not have is a sense of really inhabiting themselves—a strong sense of their own identity.”
“Ironically, therefore, the only type the Nine is not like is the Nine itself. Being a separate self, an individual who must assert herself against others, is terrifying to Nines. They would rather melt into someone else or quietly follow their idyllic daydreams.”
“Basic Fear: Of being harmed or controlled by others
Basic Desire: To protect themselves (to be in control of their own life and destiny)”
“Eights are the true “rugged individualists” of the Enneagram. More than any other type, they stand alone. They want to be independent, and resist being indebted to anyone. They often refuse to “give in” to social convention, and they can defy fear, shame, and concern about the consequences of their actions. Although they are usually aware of what people think of them, they do not let the opinions of others sway them.”
“These INTJs are, almost without exception, avid independent researchers. They take everything they read or hear about with a grain of salt – distrusting everything right down to the physical world that surrounds them until they have independently assessed it from every possible angle.”
“At their core, this type believes that their self-worth is dependent upon their competence and capability. They are constantly moving away from feelings of helplessness and incompetence, and toward feelings of understanding and capability.”
“Type 2 ENFJs are highly outgoing, sociable and friendly in nature. They tend to be active members of their community and are often heavily involved with charity work or helping professions. Being intuitive-auxiliary types, the ENFJ will aim to provide assistance to those around them not just in a practical sense but on a deep emotional level.”
“At their core, the type 2 ENFJ believes that they are worthy only insofar as they are helpful to others. They are constantly moving away from feelings of uselessness and towards feelings of love, validation and acceptance. They are most similar in nature to their sensing cousin-type, the ESFJ.”
“Threes are self-assured, attractive, and charming. Ambitious, competent, and energetic, they can also be status-conscious and highly driven for advancement. They are diplomatic and poised, but can also be overly concerned with their image and what others think of them. They typically have problems with workaholism and competitiveness. *At their Best*: self-accepting, authentic, everything they seem to be—role models who inspire others.”
“Key Motivations: Want to be affirmed, to distinguish themselves from others, to have attention, to be admired, and to impress others.”
“Type 2 ESFPs are extremely warm and welcoming – wanting to make others feel comfortable and supported at all costs. Though they are energetic in nature, they are incredibly patient when it comes to supporting the people they love, and make for great listeners and practical problem-solvers. These types will go well out of their way to help the people they love, whether that means offering them practical assistance, taking them out to get their mind off things, or having a long, encouraging conversation about how the other person is feeling. Type 2 ESFPs are often highly in touch with their introverted feeling and are very insightful about the desires, fears and motivations of others.”
“They are constantly moving away from feelings of insignificance and towards feelings of love and appreciation. They are most like their extroverted-feeling dominant friends, ESFJs.”
“Jimin was one of the easiest for me to type. I did think he had Fe for a while because he is just so thoughtful and the members described him as being the one who listens to all their problems the best which didn’t really strike me as an ESFP trait (no offense to all the ESFPs out there).”
“Enneagram Three with a Four-Wing: "The Professional"”
(both of these suit him but i was confident he had type 2 to some degree, much more than he has 4, i think. i could technically see both because he does have a very strong sense of individuality and artistic identity etc etc as a type 4 would have….but “the charmer” was just too perfect haha)
“Type 7 ENTPs tend to be energetic, explorative and wildly imaginative – placing a heavy emphasis on their extroverted intuition and preferring the pursuit of new ideas to their corresponding follow-through. This type of ENTP is likely to jump from experience to experience throughout the course of their lives – harnessing their natural entrepreneurial skills to cultivate unique opportunities for themselves that deviate from the societal norm. They are highly independent and dislike being constrained, but they have less of a desire to control the world around them than their type 8 counterparts. Rather, they enjoy manipulating their environments for fun, and as a means of avoiding stagnancy.”
“At their core, type 7 ENTPs are driven by the fear of becoming trapped, stuck or stagnant in their lives. They are constantly moving away from deprivation and toward variety and abundance. These ENTPs are most similar to their sensory-oriented cousin, the ESTP.”
“Suga once said that “he’s immature and isn’t able to become serious. It seems like he doesn’t care what others think,” and this really made me think of Ti. Since Fe is a tertiary function in ENTPs, and because he’s so young, it can be hard to adjust to other people’s feelings. But he find it super easy to make friends with people (especially with his father Daehyun), and often mentions how he has a lot of friends because he isn’t picky or judgmental and people are drawn to hat about him (a typical ENTP trait). He has this extra childishness that comes with being young and that’s why his Ti isn’t that prominent unless you really devour everything he says like I did.”
something taehyung said himself: “"I have a motto that came from my father: “What is that that’s so important.” It has a lot of meaning. I have moments where I’m tired, annoyed, and don’t want to do things. But whenever I think of these words, those things become nothing. If you endure through it, good things will come your way. My father ingrained this into my head so whenever I’m at hardship, I think of these words so I hope we never forget this.””
“Thayer is a stockbroker who has worked intensively on understanding her type Eight personality. She recounts a childhood incident in which she could clearly see the development of this pattern.
“Much of my tenacity and toughness comes from my Dad. He always told me not to ‘let anybody push you around.’ It was not okay to cry. I learned to master my weaker side early on. At the tender age of eight, a huge horse ran away with me. When an adult caught the horse, I resolutely dismounted without a tear. I could tell my father was proud.””
“They can seem less friendly than the 7w6, but only because they care less about what others think and refuse to be put into boxes. This natural ability to be themselves then extends to others, creating space for healthy individuality and uniqueness.”
“Type 6 ISFJs are highly security-oriented. Their core fear is that they are unable to provide for themselves and so they are incredibly loyal and diligent to people around them – believing that having strong social support will bring them security.”
“Type 6 ISFJs place a strong trust in societal institutions and organizations – which is exaggerated by their dominant introverted sensing function. They are likely to seek out jobs, affiliations and group memberships that are long lasting and mutually reciprocal. They are incredibly loyal to the institutions they involve themselves in, deriving a sense of security from the consistency of their involvement. Type 6 ISFJs are constantly moving away from feelings of inadequacy and toward feelings of support and guidance. They most closely resemble their ISTJ cousins, in that they are diligent, hardworking and loyal as a rule.”
“He’s described as being kind, innocent, and bad at expressing his feelings. He’s also super bad at refusing requests. I definitely think that he has Fe rather than Te but it’s harder to notice because of how withdrawn he is. Hes always said how uncomfortable he is speaking in front of people and in interviews so that is definitely an indicator that his Fe isn’t as developed as it should be because he is so closed off. But his manners are still first class like how he he’s aware of social norms.”
“The actions he takes reflect what he’s done in the past depending on what has and hasn’t worked for him. For example when he’s reading he thinks “If I read, then I’ll become better at speaking then I am now, right?” He often mentions how he’s changed compared to his trainee days. The words he lives by are that passion is imperative in order to grow and that passion is fueled by accumulated experiences.”
wing 7:
(i believe that jungkook's wing 7 is quite strong and this is what makes him such an unusually impulsive, active, and playful isfj.)
i remember i took some quiz abt which nct dream member i'm closest in personality with and i got jeno (i'm intp) so i think that's why i was wondering! i would like to know the explanations for both jeno and jisung
"Okay introverted clearly....He seems like an Se user -- athleticism often falls here (not always, but a Lot). Could he be a Ti-dom? (He does like cats...LOL.) That would make him ISTP. See, if he was an Fi-dom that would say ISFP -- but he doesn't seem particularly driven by values. We could put Se lower, but that pulls up Ni -- I can't recall Jeno being so linearly future-oriented, so I think it can't be his dominant trait; it has to be lower."
"I think Jeno is definitely Se-Ni, in some way. He said he likes making things and collected plastic models (Se)....In regards to food, Jeno continually refers back to his childhood experiences influencing his views of his favorite and least favorite foods, but these backward references are generally factual [(Se as opposed to Si)]."
on istpisms:
"istps being the head empty thinkers
only thinking when required
jeno's brain 90% of the time: must touch. must put my face near
jeno the other 10% of the time when he has to take an exam or win a game: galaxybrain.jpg"
on se-isms:
"to me observing people dynamix/vibes/etc is an fe trait! for example, under the assumption jeno is an se-user, he doesn't have nearly as strong an EQ as haechan -- that adaptability to ppl and dynamics in that way is very fe to me. i see se as dealing more with the external physical environment, whereas fe deals with that interpersonal emotional environment, still an external awareness but a focus on a different aspect of it. this is where i see the difference: cafe 7dream, we saw jeno working the machines, making drinks, and that's physical environment. in contrast, haechan was at the front interacting with customers -- making his job interpersonal rather than physical. there were times he did some physical portions like cake-making, etc. but he gravitated to the interpersonal over physical, and jeno did vice versa."
on ti-isms:
"high se-users tend not to be as oriented toward that persuasive-speech/smooth-talking stuff; they're much more about the physicality of the moment. i think [haech] and jeno are similar in that when faced with a challenge or competition, they analyze their situation and decide what angle they're going to take when implementing the task -- to me that points to them both having ti. for an se-user, they're more often going to simply jump into the task and figure it out as they go, but i see that haechan (and jen [sometimes -- he still has se]) usually think before they do something."
JISUNG INTP (TI NE SI FE)
i thought he was infp (fi ne si te) all this while but i guess the one thing that does confirm is that i'm fairly confident he has ne-aux and tert-si. this can be seen in the jensung contrast: jeno is a guy of few words -- his top two functions are about internal thinking and perceiving physical surroundings -- whereas jisung has ne in his top two, which is the brainstorming function. thoughts in his head 24/7 and never shuts up about them according to jeno (who apparently likes that about him).
so the debate is between fi-te and ti-fe. i think i was thrown off by his dancing ability -- which isn't something very commonly associated with intps -- and also his heavily emotional side, which i read as infp. but i forgot to account for jisung is ~dpressed~ and ~also probably has anxiety~ and literally any mentow hewth issues drag u over to infpisms unforch. so i tried to focus beyond those surface-level traits. and i see that he is fascinated by gadgets and devices and how things work and knowledge and the world and shit. that's so intp. specifically ti. the exploration of knowledge for knowledge's sake. mental camp just SCREAMED jisung intp to me. "you are being a follower but u can also be a leader" YEAH. intps tend not to put themselves in a leader position unless it's necessary but they have ti. the strategy function. they can fucken do that shit if they wanted. also that number game, he had his game face on, he had a plan....how very ti of you pwark jwisong. and in 7llin fuckin around w the karaoke machine....his stupid gum container that he bought cos it had a unique mechanism in how it opened/provided a piece of gum....like okay rube goldberg. u can tell he's super in-his-own-head because he did not consider the consequences of that gum container mechanism in that literally any force applied to the bottom would eject a piece of gum....plus we were told that he walks around in circles muttering to himself like an insane person which he claims was him imagining scenarios and responding to them (that would be the ne). also never forget the time he stared at the bark of a tree like a fucken npc....amen.
he is for sure inxp in my mind and i'm willing to bet it is in fact intp rather than infp!! esp comparing to renjun who is very nearly a classic infp; they're similar but there are some subtle differences which set them apart, and i think it might be enough to give them different mbti types. so for now....in my mind....jisung intp.
i dont see jk coming between jimin and tae at all. jk and jimin were always close, back in the day so were tae and jk. i just think now taehyung outgrew them both. he is a lot more mature than both of them, his friends are all older and he seems to really want to be taken as seriously and maturely as possible.
it is true that jm and jk were always close, and tae and jk were close at one point too. i remember that a lot of the bangtan members used to call tae "immature" in yearly profiles (back in his 4d days), and in recent years they began to say he has matured. uh, i hate to bring this up bc it feels intrusive but it's true i think that losing his grandmother in late 2016 changed smth about him. he became very serious from that moment on; something about him sobered up, in a sense. then his close friend passed away in late 2017. and even though i don't think him and jonghyun were close friends, that passing impacted all of kpop and i'm sure it affected him too. his grandfather passed mid-2018 as well. it's possible that this created a disconnect between him and the rest of maknaeline, because even though everyone experienced the effects of jonghyun's passing, no one in bts has experienced as much loss as taehyung. he lost someone close to him every year from 2016 to 2018.
like u r saying, jungkook said in soop that tae becoming reserved made it hard for them to connect the way they used to, because they were playful back then. but notably taehyung says none of those things. he only says that they were "partners in crime" back then, but he doesn't mention a disconnect in personality the way jungkook does. (i just rewatched it: https://youtu.be/Bsyg2puVOGw) we can see that jimin and taehyung actually seem much more amiable and playful, at the beginning of this clip. we also know that taekook is the pair that had become significantly distanced, and vmin were not distanced to that extent. it's only jungkook and taehyung that have this particular type of tension. then -- icb i didn't notice or didn't see this before -- taehyung openly admits that he feels like he isn't loved, that he goes on weverse to feel like he is receiving love, and at night in bed that feeling evaporates....and not being able to see the love from fans with his own eyes has exacerbated that. he literally tells us this.
this is a bit subjective, but the way he says "we were partners in crime" suggests to me that he missed it. it's a source of nostalgia for him. the way he says that, i don't think he thinks he's too mature for them. it's not that jimin and jungkook haven't matured too. i think he wants to be close with them. but his life experiences took a trajectory that changed the way he is drastically, and while he may have wanted to remain close with jimin and jungkook, jungkook found it difficult to connect with this new kimtae -- and while jimin wanted to hang out with taehyung as usual and doesn't seem to feel a disconnect w kimtae's changed personality, jungkook began to dominate his time. and kimtae, who was losing loved ones one by one, and was now losing his connections with his closest links in bangtan -- no wonder he felt like he wasn't loved, ykwim? his life turned upside-down. he got closer to his actor friends, because what else was he supposed to do? jm and jk were (are) closer than ever, and more often than not it was (and still is) just the two of them. he reached out to people (his actor friends) who would reciprocate his affection, make him feel less alone. (T_T i know most people don't want to believe bangtan have insecurities like the rest of us but they are human too....)
but ofc distancing from a difficult connection and choosing to strengthen other ones doesn't magically heal existing rifts. the clip didn't show it, and unfortunately i forgot who initiated the soop convo in the first place, but lovely leaf reminded me that kimtae got jimin to help him have that serious talk with jungkook, which means kimtae did in fact want to fix things. he didn't think he was too mature for them; he wanted to be close again. and he finally took the initiative in soop.
and then we can see the results of how trying to heal those rifts has made him happier in butter era. butter era vlives....the smile on his face....it was like his younger self. it was like he felt loved again. i think if we look closely, we can find quite a few idols going thru dpression eras and coming out of them like they were reborn, like they're reinvigorated, like they are their old selves again. it's a noticeable pattern, imo (see, for example, najaem and lele). and kimtae's arc fits right into it.
so overall/tldr; i don't think kimtae felt too mature for jm and jk necessarily, because he eventually took initiative in soop to have a serious talk with jungkook and reconnect. he himself catalyzed the mending of their relationship.
what are your thoughts on stanning "problematic" idols? you don't have to answer right away btw! i'm just very curious about what you think because your answers are always so well thought out
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nonnie, this is something i think about a lot. i discussed it just a month ago with an irl, even (some excerpts from that below). i separated this post into sections just because there are....so many thoughts and topics here haha. i apologize in advance if it's disorganized or hard to read.
firstly, i have some principles of my own that try to use to guide my perception of it? here they are:
GUIDING PRINCIPLES
PRINCIPLE 1: that this activity does not hurt any other person.
as an isolated act or concept, stanning a problematic idol doesn't do harm to people around you.
PRINCIPLE 2: that this activity does not help the wrong people. (which would, in theory, indirectly harm other people and violate principle 1.)
in the context of stanning being listening to the music, watching the content, buying merch perhaps....these are indeed ways to put money in the pockets of the problematic idol in question. there are ways to minimize this, though, by not intentionally buying merch etc etc and reducing the amount of money that goes to the idol.
PRINCIPLE 3: that one is not encouraging others to engage in an activity that violates principles 1 and/or 2.
stanning a problematic idol by yourself would be very different from promoting and encouraging others to also stan that problematic idol.
VERDICT FORMED BY GUIDING PRINCIPLES
abiding by these three principles, i would say that yes, it's okay to stan a problematic idol. morally i'd question buying merch and albums and such while knowing the idol in question is problematic, but just keeping to oneself and stanning for your own personal interests, without involving monetary exchanges, is okay to me. by stanning a problematic idol by yourself, avoiding putting money in that idol's pocket, and not promoting that person/group to other people as "good," you'd be containing the impact of it. i think it's a complicated topic, as is most everything, but if stanning some particular problematic idol improves your mood or makes you feel good, and you're aware they are problematic and conscious of that when you make decisions related to that idol, that in my mind is okay.
QUALIFICATIONS AND CAVEATS
PROBLEMATIC FICTIONAL MEDIA VS. PROBLEMATIC REAL PEOPLE MEDIA:
it's hard to say it's like consuming "problematic" media, because that is fictional, whereas these are real people, but i think we shouldn't try to make ourselves miserable by playing mental acrobatics around it in our own heads when that doesn't actually impact anything. i think it matters what you keep in your head and what you externalize. and if you stan a problematic idol, then i'd suggest keeping it in your mind, keeping it internal, and preventing that from externalizing.
KEEPING DISTANCE AND PERSPECTIVE:
i wouldn't try to convince myself or other people that the problematic idol in question can be or is "good." it's better that we acknowledge it, and make it clear from the beginning to anyone wondering about that idol, that we do understand they have done bad things. a quick example of this is irene's scandal. there were a number of people to jump in a blindly defend her the moment the scandal broke out, and then there were people like me who were disappointed, who witnessed the apology statements and the way irene was treated (especially in comparison to male idols), and decided whether to accept the statements from that distance. (in my [reveluv] case, i still have a hard time equating irene to how i used to perceive her, but i think she was indeed treated particularly harshly because she is a woman and so by the second apology i decided to accept and let it go. i think what she did was wrong of course, but i believe in people growing and changing and to me the second apology -- you may not consider it this way, but i've never seen another idol put out a second apology before -- was a sign of sincerity and regret.)
i'm a very forgiving person in general, i believe in growth/change/second chances, and i do believe that sometimes we have to determine if we believe a scandal or not -- NOT to trivialize scandals, but to view them with both conscience AND reason. for example, i believe seungri's scandal and i believe irene's scandal because there is sufficient evidence for both, but i do not believe aespa's scandals because they are largely unfounded (excluding karina's texts -- that i believe). and then beyond all that, there's the question of how comfortable we feel stanning or continuing to stan an idol that has done this questionable deed, what our limits are based on what deed it is, a lot of things that are different at an individual level.
it's like the question of whether to engage in harry potter fandom or not, knowing j.k. rowling is problematic (the more i use this word the more trivial and meaningless it feels -- rowling feels much worse than "problematic" to me, what with the sort of influence she has). i know the fandom is still alive, and i know that a lot of people within it are very conscious of engaging in hp fandom in a way that does not give rowling a single cent of their money. and i know people who have stopped thinking about harry potter entirely -- me included!! but if i wanted to stay in harry potter fandom, if i was still attached in that way, i would let myself so long as my money does not reach the hands of j.k. rowling. and that's sort of a case-by-case decision to make.
i think this is the difference between a fan who might blindly defend an idol the moment a bad deed is unveiled vs a fan who is more hesitant, who waits for an apology statement and decides whether or not to accept it: distance and perspective. so long as we maintain that ourselves, i think we can make reasonable and conscientious decisions.
USING PARASOCIALISMS TO ONE'S ADVANTAGE:
an irl of mine (one of the smartest people i know and someone i really respect a lot) said to me exactly one month ago:
"I don't know how I feel about ppl getting so much criticism for stuff they did in middle school
"Tons of stuff i did and said in middle and high school were really not ok
"So as long as people have apologized to those who feel hurt, it doesn't bother me so much
"I think I'm a lot diff from most fans though like I'm someone who never wants to see an idol in real life
"So scandals, unless they are really bad, don't really bother me"
i....honestly think this is the way to go!! my irl brought up a great point: that we literally do not know them and they are, for all intents and purposes, entertainment for us. if you view them as media and not as Real People, if you consume their content as media intended for our entertainment (like you might a tv show or movie) and don't engage with the media as if these people have lives beyond what they portray to us....then as long as we are conscious and aware of our own actions regarding this decision, i think it's entirely based on individual prerogative whether to stan a problematic idol or not. (small caveat: even though you might pay for a tv show or movie, in the case of real people i would consider that viewing them as purely entertainment might exclude the monetary exchange part for reasons stated in principle 2 and throughout this 'qualifications and caveats' section -- for the purposes of likening it to consuming problematic things in fiction, we are reducing real-world impact.)
i hope this is helpful nonnie!! i'm flattered that you think my answers are well thought out <3 and i think it's sweet that you said i don't have to answer right away T_T i hope i managed to do this in a respectful manner, since it's such a sensitive/difficult topic? i understand the severity of idol scandals can vary and so this may not always apply to every situation, and i'm not sure i can account for every scandal with one system or perspective, but i hope this is useful from a general standpoint. thank you for asking such a thought-provoking question!! i do think this needs to be discussed more often so i'm glad you asked <3
do you have any favorite or underrated km moments?
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a list i owed dazzie for a loooong time....sorry daz....counting down from 10 to 1:
10. mma 2018
nothing can beat the experience of scrolling thru the pics of that day during genetics class truly nothing my heart was about to beat out of my fucking chest
9. jk only ever giving presents to jm and the members calling him out for it || any moment demonstrating jk's treatment of jimin vs jk's treatment of the other members
this was one of the early indicators of ~jk special treatment of jm~ that i think people only really began to pick up later. it cracks me up that jk could not defend himself, like this man really just went and did it no thoughts head empty other than his MASSIVE burgeoning crush on jimin compelling him to buy a bday gift despite never having done that before for any member of the group, EVER. consistently since then he's very clearly treated jimin differently from the rest of bangtan. it's almost like how haechan treated renj like the girl on the team when they played foot volleyball in 7llin -- jimin's not really a renjun, but there's a softness to how jungkook treats him compared to the others. it's just so CRYSTAL CLEAR to me in those moments, that's why i love witnessing them.
8. namseok talking about jk being a homebody and how jm likes bringing jk places to show him things
close observer perspective of kookmin's relationship. kookmin themselves tell us they're similar and "click," but namseok give us another dimension to their rs.
7. "shameless?" japanese interview in 2018
i can't explain it but the look on jungkook's face as he said, "he takes care of me well," was the most innuendo-filled look he's ever given. this was also a massively revolutionary moment in kookmin canon within the context of that year, like arguably the turning point in that they began acting shamelessly obvious about their relationship. and as we know, mma 2018 happened later that year.
6. (jm picking their matching pinky moles for jk's bday as per that year's birthday bangtan festivities/activities && jk choosing ALL OF JM as his favorite body part on jm's bday) || (jm's tokyo vlog && jk's gcf tokyo) ==> (jm's "US" vs jk's "HIM")
whoever it was that said jm makes it about "US" and jk makes it about "HIM" was so correct. every damn time.
5. "jungkook is my happy virus/pill" (ft. jin saying as much to jm) and "jimin is my catalyst/stimulant"
directly informing us what they mean to each other, what they find most meaningful about each other in relation to them....
4. gcf saipan
i'm in love with how it demonstrates jungkook's love for jimin in his beautiful ethereal moments AND his silly stupid moments. he loves all of it. in every moment, jimin still shines for him.
this is my pick-me-up when i'm sad. wholesome affection....just pure love....being silly just for the sake of it, tiny details of overwhelming affection for one another, a joke just for themselves amidst everyone in the practice room....
are there any km moments that you feel like are blow out of proportion by km truthers, versus are there any moments that you feel like are underrated ?
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thenk u so much to juice and moch for contributing n brainstorming with me beyond my initial ideas, i wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything obvious or significant hehe....this is a jumocha effort!! we actually came up with a lot of ideas for underrated, not all of them quite at the same level of underrated, so i tried to narrow those down a bit :) though if someone wants the full underrated km moments list for some reason, please feel free to ask!
km moments that are blown out of proportion:
- 당신 (dangshin). long explanations aside, i don't think kookmin are stupid enough to use that word multiple times on camera if it meant something.
- 애기야 가자 (let's go, baby). this is a famous drama quote and bts LOVE quoting dramas, it always irked me seeing people make a big deal out of it
- soop mosquito net. they were just playing around, nothing that crazy....juice says, "like why are we focusing on that. they cuddled in bed the next morning" and honestly so true can we talk about that instead
- tape (https://twitter.com/gcfkm57/status/1217736453288972290?s=21). they are just talking here loll???? like it's cute i guess but juice says it was apparently HUGE and people kept tweeting about it (and she even provided examples) and like. why? we don't need these crumbs kookmin nation, we don't
- gcf saipan!! ik everyone loves gcf tokyo but i feel like gcf saipan is arguably MORE explicit about how jk feels re: jimi and his rs with him? the lyrics + cuts to jimin are. so so obvious.
- gcf osaka: did people notice that there's a shot of jmjk's shoes, walking together, /without/ tae? i've always felt like that was significant somehow; it's one of the first things i noticed immediately when i first watched it
- i think most people know about osaka vlive and the vlive that followed that one, but do people ever talk about how sketchy the tokyo live from the same year (2016) was? because there was a LOT happening here too (https://www.vlive.tv/video/12380/BTS-Live-in-Tokyo)
- jk choosing ALL OF JM as his favorite body part on jm's bday, as per that year's birthday bangtan festivities/activities
- jk only ever giving presents to jm and the members calling him out for it
i definitely see that taegi are closer but they seemed to actively disliked each other back in the day and i don’t see them as being close at all now just have a better understanding of each other and are good co workers. if they weren’t in a group together i don’t see them ever being friends.
i’m ambivalent about taekook because what you say is true but they have also had moments that show they do care about each other and like each other at least vs taegi. taekook i can see as casual not super close but still friends but taegi are straight up coworkers who have learned to be appreciative of each other. i think jungkook in general is just a more playful person now. that’s why he’s also super close to jin now. just with jimin there doesn’t seem to be much of an age barrier as jin obviously who’s 5 years older than him. taehyung is much more calm and chill which is why i think he and namjoon have gotten closer though i argue they were always close. i can see taehyung viewing jungkook as immature from a friendship pov just compared to the people he chooses to hang out with.
but now i wonder do you think vmin friendship is kinda fake? they’ve been showcasing their friendship like jikook but in a straight up friends only way with the song literally friends, talking about how they are soulmates all the time, highlighting their friendship constantly. but this adds to a feeling i’ve been having lately like it’s kind of bullshit or at least exaggerated and fanservice because they know the vmin friendship sells and is the main pure friendship bts ship. i find them really corny. there’s no need to force them to act like besties if they aren’t close anymore. sometimes i think taehyung is as distant to jimin as he is to jungkook, from around 2016. he seems really close to his non bts friends than either of them and i wish they didn’t sell this facade. there are other closer friendships in the group. like how sope obviously aren’t as close anymore, yoongi is closest to jin by miles, so sope is not as highlighted at all anymore and that seems more authentic.
that’s what i really like about dream. their fanservice is really obvious that it’s fanservice and a joke. they’re very open and natural with who are closest but overall have a strong group dynamic. they all have their favorite or closest members but as a core of 7 they all seem to genuinely care and like each other. even the ones who are more distant, when it’s them one on one they have great chemistry and don’t feel awkward at all.
i do think they’ve all grown to appreciate and even love each other and work amazingly as a team but bts comes off a bit fake in comparison but dream have also known each other since they were 12 and 14 and have been together through their entire adolescence which is when you just form really intense attachments to people. even if they’re not your bestie, the bonds you make at that age can be super intense
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i can't say i know taegi super well at all, but as far as what you're saying this all sounds true!! i think a lot of idol groups have that situation, where there are some really good relationships and then there are some where it's like, if we weren't in a group together we would never interact (for example nahyuck ajsdlkfjsd)
i think taekook vs taegi is sort of where the age hierarchy dynamics come in, but also that taekook's personalities were more compatible in the past than taegi's ever was....but in the present where taekook's personalities are /drastically/ different to about the same level of taegi's, them seeming closer than taegi seems to be partially that shared past compatibility combined with age hierarchy automatically placing them closer to each other. i think that jungkook and jin aren't actually THAT close, like they are playful but i don't get the impression that they talk seriously about things, if that makes sense. whereas i think jin helped jimin a lot in the past and was a source of comfort for him, and though they may not be like that now they still have that past of relying on each other. i haven't seen much of taejoon lately so i can't say i know what trajectory they're taking right now....and yeah i think taehyung's new outlook on life is very aligned or compatible with personalities that....are not present in bangtan sdkjfsdsld except for maybe jimin. scream u saying tae thinks jk is immature....i mean maybe!! i recall that time jk was very rude to him in that one vlive....that was very uh. immature of jk imo. and im sure the rest of bangtan thought so too bc like....the mood got real awkward after....so i can see that!!
uh, i don't think vmin is fake!! but in a sense that a) yes i do think they've gotten distant, but b) i do not think they like each other less, just that circumstances (namely jk coming between them) have distanced them in this way. i think tae rly means what he says. i don't think he'd work on entire songs about jimin if he didn't actually care about him that way. he even wanted to sing that christmas song with jimin and was stopped by bighit....(and FUCK bighit) sigh. anyway. so i don't think it's a facade but they also are probably reluctant to reveal that they aren't as close as they used to be -- but i think they still love each other very much. bts is very free in this respect, that they don't really have to push fanservice anymore!! they're rich as shit now, they don't gotta do that, whatever they do will sell. the only time i've seen them do fanservice in recent years is taekook for their japanese fanbase (or so it was speculated by km oomfs so take that with a grain of salt i guess). so i don't think there is any real need for vmin to be pushed -- the bangtan-are-besties agenda works well enough and survives in the eyes of the fandom even when bangtan themselves are distancing, so really hybe/bangtan don't have to do anything at all....the fandom will do it for them.
SCREAM are you armyzen too....what a surprise reading ur dreamies paragraphs. this is true!! they're very transparent, very professional, and fairly comfortable excepting a couple dynamics. i want to note that they're still young, though! if u look at bangtan at that age, they were also all fairly close to each other. we really don't know what's going to happen with dreamies as they age, especially bc we can see their dynamics actively shifting ALREADY right now. certain dynamics are already getting distant and strained. it is true that they are gen z and bangtan are millenials, and i think that's where dreamies take enjoyment out of engaging in fanservice and making it a joke amongst themselves (i'm aware that sm also trains them to not show if they hate it, but we've seen them engage in it when they don't even need to so they really seem to have owned it and made it their own), whereas bangtan clearly hated doing fanservice and didn't hide that. i've kinda noticed that with 4th gen? they embrace fanservice/skinship/being close much more, and it might just be their natural inclination or that they're not as bothered by it, or that mindsets have changed over time, i dunno, lots of factors that i haven't fully rotated in my head....
you're right that they met at a younger age than bangtan did, i really agree with that!! if u grow up with each other at that age, you kinda get through ur worst eras together, and coming out of that u have this bond that is difficult to shake. i think bangtan were brought together by other reasons (small company, broke, already aware they were in the lineup, living together predebut), but what you're saying about that adolescent/middle school age being intensely formative is extremelyyyy true i think u made a fantastic point there. all in all though. i do think there are still some distinctions in age/gen that should be made between dreamies and bangtan before any comparisons are made. i kinda want to explore this further now!! hahahaha....thank u for these really good thoughts nonnie <3
do you really think taekook are just coworkers and aren’t friends at all? i genuinely think taegi aren’t close and neither are namjin or 2seok but taekook seem can seem like chill bros a lot but can be very distant or not seem close at all. the fact that they are both so obviously close to jimin makes it weirder.
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oh anon this is so interesting!! i was actually talking with crys who cares ~taegi~ a lot....they seem to care abt each other in very subtle ways. personally i don't think they're like bestie close!! more like older friend caring for younger friend. and i think it's partially or largely related to age gap.
unlike some groups like nct dream or itzy, the age/leader hierarchy is very much present in bangtan. i think it's why namjin don't seem very drawn to each other but they seem to work together when need be, because it's the leader and eldest unit; otherwise, they still have an age gap and it shows. 2seok....i think they probably converse well with each other, because hobi is enthusiastic and jin plays off of that well and is very casual, but just aren't particularly close again because of age? you could compare these relationships to that of, say, yoonjin, the two eldest that get along well and don't have much age gap separating them. then to vmin, same-age soulmates. i think an obvious exception to age = closeness is namseok; they don't seem to be particularly close despite being same-age friends.
taekook didn't used to be an exception either!! they were fairly close, and i think it was a result of the lack of age gap. however, as shown by namseok, it doesn't mean that they'll stay close; i think taekook drifted apart naturally in part because their personalities were a match in playfulness, but as tae got more serious and kook got more and more obsessed with playing around with jimin, that commonality faded away. and as mentioned in the dw post....that kookmin happening was a strain on tae's relationships to each of them individually. i think they're trying to reconnect, like i also said in the dw post, there's a few slightly closer moments for them recently, but they're fairly distant still.
and i don't know if you've noticed, but my kookmin oomfs definitely have: they barely interact in spontaneous content. for example, v's birthday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X51EI1Jq7vg), jungkook doesn't even look at him 😭 like dude, you not gonna wish him a happy birthday? what goes on? and there was this other recent clip i saw, where they paused to take a selfie....when i say they dispersed so fast. my god. like as soon as the selfie was taken they split up. no conversation, no check if the selfie turned out well, nothing. i was like damn i thought soop was going to change things what is this 😭 thankfully since then they've been getting gradually a bit closer but those clips really STICK with me as like. such coworker energy. this is kinda evil to bring up again after saying soop made their rs better but, BUT....that one message from jungkook to taehyung where he said literally nothing personal to them or their relationship just like "thanks for doing your job well"....like holy shit. prime bbb coworkerisms. i'm sorry. i joke about that but it's depressing i'm glad they're better now. but still pretty coworker. but positive outlook where it stands rn!! jungkook is close to jimin for obvious reasons, jimin and tae seem a bit strained but they have their shared history and ~park jimin~ to keep them going, and then tae and kook are working on rebuilding what they left behind in 2017 ^_^
as an og km-er, what's it been like to watch them evolve to the married couple they are now? i imagine kinda exhilarating lol
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NONNIE WOWW I GOT SO EXCITED GETTING THIS MESSAGE. it's so sweet of u to call pre-gcft kmers "og kmers"....we're like 2nd gen og and people back in '13/'14 are 1st gen. i actually shared this cc with a 2014 kmer, moch (to which she said, "anon u should ask what it was like in 2014... we was in the trenches fighting" LOL), and we started talking about separations -- generations if u will -- of kmers. this is what i came up with:
[6:21 PM] cha:
arguably 3rd gen could be divided further (EDIT: i do divide it further later in this cc answer, that division point being rose bowl) but i think this is where the waves of kmers divide most clearly:
1st gen kmers >> 2013 up to 2015 pre-osaka incident
2nd gen kmers >> 2015 post-osaka up to 2017 pre-gcft
3rd gen kmers >> 2017 post-gcft up to now
so in this scenario i'd be a 2nd gen kmer and moch would be 1st gen. divisions being between the first obvious change in dynamic (osaka incident) and second obvious change in dynamic (gcft).
anyway, sorry u didn't ask for that at all lmfao....all that aside, to answer your actual question: IT WAS INDEED SO EXHILARATING!!!! when i think back they were one of the things that kept me going, seeing them consistently and proudly demonstrate their love for each other really helped me in what was probably the worst period of my life....it gave me something to smile about :") i remember i'd be in class scrolling twitter like ?@#$@?#$235?##? (i ESPECIALLY remember witnessing the pics from mma 2018 during my genetics class. when i tell u my heart was clenched tight with overwhelming happiness, and amazement, and simultaneously bewilderment, as if it was the first time i'd ever seen the two of them....)
one thing to know about me is i doubt myself /so much/ while tinhatting, so i'll keep trying to investigate and confirm again and again for my mind to be at ease. back then, i read a lot of theories on tumblr, particularly post-gcft (which is what really pushed me over the edge into full-blown tinhatting) up to like, pre-mma 2018 maybe....i screenshotted a lot of them too (if someone asks me to find them maybe i will) and back in 2017/early 2018 we sort of needed those theories yknow, bc they weren't as obvious as they are now. we needed people to point out the strange little things that added up to this conclusion that maybe jimin and jungkook have something going on.
2018 was probably the best year for kookmin moments. TONS of selfies and content, not even including the gcfs released that year. the two that come to mind immediately from 2018 are the "shameless" japanese interview, and then of course -- mma 2018. um, can one even be kookminist without knowing about that. i would very much like to question the boyz hyunjae about what he heard that night, like i don't need confirmation but i would LIKE it yknowyknow
uh, 2019, 2020, and 2021 were/are pretty dry compared to 2018, aside from a select few moments (per year i mean, combined they probably amount to 2018 or more). (and of course excluding rose bowl. god. maybe we need to separate the kmers from before rose bowl and after rose bowl into 3rd and 4th gen kmers, because it seems like that was a big converter moment too.) if u look closer at those years though....there are some things they've revealed to us that indicate that they're still going strong, stronger than ever even....not just in how lovingly they look at each other, but in a quantifiable way. multiple quantifiable ways. that probably requires a whole other cc answer or dw post to discuss though.
it feels great to be continually proven right though, even when they're not as loud. i mentioned being insecure/doubting myself when tinhatting -- kookmin has reached a level beyond that. i really can't think of any doubts i have about them. i feel secure in thinking they're together, even when we don't see them, even when i'm not reading theories (what theories do we even need anymore lmao. they're right there). when i see them now i'm like oh there goes those two lovebirds, doing their thing <3 loving each other unconditionally <3
and considering jungkook believes in destiny, and jimin's was pretty much in love with jungkook for so long before jungkook ever liked him back....it seems like they'll be happy together for a long time. after all, they "click." T____T <3
the more we see, the more tinhatty I become. and it’s usually the opposite for me with most ships!
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lovely anon, i apologize for the delay. i wrote a lot for you :3 enjoy:
the beginnings of my renhyuck tinhatting originate in the grandma's house content, when haechan made renjun summarize all the things they did that day. and renjun started listing them, looked right into his eyes....and there was this brief pause. and then he went, "watermelon! watermelon." looked down at the watermelon, and then back at donghyuck, and the sheepish expression he gave him....head tilted to the left, then slowly up, mouth slightly parted, eyes trained on donghyuck in the softest manner imaginable....i can never fucking forget that. my god. that's the moment where i was like, i think renjun has a crush. and all content following that has not only confirmed that for me, but also strongly suggested that haechan LIKES HIM BACK -- /AND/ that both of them are dancing around each other, unable to admit it one way or the other.
i spent so long trying to think of what links i'd include in this but i feel like you could literally point to anything they've done recently and it would point to this conclusion. i can describe a few moments that pop into my mind as very definitive of their pining dynamic....
firstly, that they are all over each other on camera. all those clips of them like "let's break up," being on their "honeymoon," "our concept is newly-weds," to start. and then things like "renjun fits perfectly in my arms," putting those stickers that represent a precious item on each others' foreheads, "watch me only" on the teacup ride, hello82 intimate boom dance. not to mention everything happening in 7illin, including haechan treating renjun like the one girl the guys let play on their team, then coddle her, treat her like she's fragile, and are thoroughly surprised when she does well....and how hyuck rearranged the bed arrangements so he could be close to renjun....(i haven't finished watching 7illin but i've been kept updated with some clips....like the bed cuddling....they r truly obsessed with one another and we know it's not company cpisms because THEY ARE NOT EVEN A CP PUSHED BY THE COMPANY)
then, you have them off-camera. idk if anyone else has noticed but as far as i can recall during these past few months, haechan has only talked about gaming with jeno, and renjun has only mentioned hanging out with jisung and jeno. correct me if i'm wrong, but they haven't talked about doing things with each other. the only activity we know they have in common is going to chenle's house to see daegal (and chenle i guess....but i think we know daegal is the pull factor here). so what gives? they don't even fight as much as they used to. they're actually one of the most in-tune, well-suited pairings in the group. during vlives (which i consider to be more honest about dynamics, because they're live and unedited), there are no signs of distance between them; they sit next to each other and talk & interact casually throughout. hell, renjun even felt up haechan's stomach in the recent 00z vlive (the ust....). so why are they not as obnoxiously interactive as they are on-camera?
pulling from a very recent twt thread convo with kels and kelly, this is my theory:
"renjun can't figure out how much of haech's actions toward him are for the camera and haechan doesn't have the courage to do anything when there's NOT a camera
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i can see rj pining 4 him, bewildered but accepting of his advances bc he craves it so....but dh turns it down offcam and it throws him off, he doesn't know where he stands....& then dh can barely keep it tgt oncam did u see how he lost his cool right after what he did on hello82"
also from yesterday's convo with kels:
[9:22 AM] kels: renjun just needs to realise hyuck likes him
[9:24 AM] cha: whereas hyuck is incapable of being vulnerable enough to let him realize
that's like the summarized conclusion of my thoughts on their dynamic. i keep looking at it and trying to elaborate but that's really it. they are dancing around each other. and they will continue to do so until something changes for them, whether that change is internal (between the two of them) or external (outside intervention). as i said to moch and kels the other day, "renjun womanisms are canonical and there's nothing we can do except watch hyuck feed into them." and that's rly all we can do. we're really just going to have to watch and see how this plays out.
(feel free to ask for the links to whichever moments i've mentioned here, i'd be happy to provide those based on which ones people recall/don't recall/haven't seen etc etc)
[p.s. anon, i went to go confirm the wordings of the moments i mentioned and MY FUCKING GOD. i just discovered something even more incriminating for these two. licherally insane dw post incoming (so tinhatty that i might have to friendslock it unless other people want it too)....when i say i haven't felt this way since KOOKMIN....i will. go document my potential findings now]
bestie i agree kookmin is real. do you have any other fav bts ships/dynamics? and what makes kookmin special?
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wahhh hello hello <3 lovely to meet fellow members of the km community. i used to ship (or at least read fics for) namjin and sope, and even yoonmin on occasion (thank u jonghyunslisterine for the yoonminkook fic that converted me), but i've pretty much left those behind now (well....sope is complicated....i will detail in just a sec). i do have some fav dynamics (apologies for being so tinhatty it's an important part of my personal understanding of The Lore):
- kookmin!! u asked what makes them so special to me -- it's the way they treat each other, you can just tell how familiar they are, how in-tune ("we click" T__T), they are so in love and it's so precious to see....i could go on about them. like not to get ahead of ourselves but. i really think they're the closest thing to a match made in heaven
- vmin is a sweet dynamic but complicated, imo. i think the new, more mature, more serious kimtae can sometimes start to retreat into his shell a bit but jimin's always there to gently coax him back out. oomfs and i have discussed how we think kookmin getting together is what placed wedges between both taekook and vmin -- and it's no slight against kimtae, they obviously care about him (jimin i don't have to explain, it's obvious he loves kimtae a lot even if he spends most of his time with jungkook now; for jungkook, him reaching out in soop to become closer with tae again speaks to how he still wants to maintain their relationship, he still cares about preserving it + evidenced by recent clip of them wiping their ping pong paddles on each other like the old playful taekook....i cri). it's sad but it's natural, i think, for people to drift apart a bit. a lot of oomf discussion centered around how whenever kimtae mentions wanting to call jimin over during vlive and jimin is with jungkook, it's pretty obvious that he's a bit disappointed (more than a bit). about a month ago i said, "in a way kimtae is one of the most honest in the group abt his feelings regarding things so it reads like he's trying to tell us without directly saying so, because he can't actually reveal all." i think this still holds true. he can't exactly tell us everything but he's not trying to hide it either, is what i think.
- sope is also interesting to me. i said earlier that i don't ship it anymore, and yeah i don't (i was never intense about any ship except kookmin tbf), but i kinda always got the impression that it was like, romantically onesided? so to set the stage, i don't think i really need to but yknow, yoongi being pretty clear about not being straight is established lore. and then there are instances such as: during that one run ep where they were filming that dalbang dorm "drama," where hobi was leaning over yoongi or something, and all of a sudden he asks yoongi, "why are your ears all red?" and yoongi just kinda waves it off???? like what was that???? i kinda got the impression that yoongi may have liked hobi (in the past maybe, i can't speak for now) but hobi was just always super oblivious to it and not interested in yoongi that way. this one is really tinhatty i'm sorry lmfao
- yoonjin is very sweet to me....they are like domestic marrieds going on fishing trips and just indulging each other....something so romantic about that, regardless of the nature of their relationship yknow
- minjoon is very fascinating to me, because they're so sweet on each other by themselves, but there's also an added dynamic of jungkook constantly inserting himself between them. idk if this comparison will land but minjoon is so (nct) johnten in a way, except if there was somebody with a vested interest in making sure johnten stayed platonic the way jungkook seems to be about minjoon. like what has jungkook feeling so threatened? is it that he himself admires and looks up to namjoon so he's inherently a threat? was jimin interested in joon at one point, or is that the impression jungkook gets? bangtan dynamics unsolved methinks, alongside whatever sope has going on
- rapline is funny to me just cos of that time they had to sleep in the same bed and they no-homoed it by placing pillows between them....like truly comedy to me lmfao. also that one tweet using the ship dynamic stick figures meme for namgiseok, with two people making out saying, "we've lived together for ten years" and one person on the side going, "i have also lived with you for ten years"....like yeah that's them....cracks me up
- jinmin is really sweet to me because i feel like they confide in each other, or at least did in the past. jimin's usually the one listening to other ppl's problems but i think jin is rly there for him as the oldest and also being pretty calm-collected-approachable. i'm always thinking about how jimin described jungkook as his "happy pill" and said that once he was laughing at something jungkook said/did and jin said smth like "i think jungkook makes you laugh a lot/makes you happy." like that kind of line has to stem from a prior conversation, right? it's too out-of-the-blue not to be, is what i think. i personally think jimin confided (maybe still confides) in jin about jungkook specifically, if nothing else.
- namkook is interesting to me but also only in the context of the ongoing kookminjoon bangtan unsolved thing, and also that jungkook decided basically his entire career path upon witnessing guy-he's-never-met rapping that's kinda crazy but also he was like 13 so
i cannot think of any more but if i do i'll add to this....or u can ask me abt a dynamic specifically for more thoughts <3
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