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jensung mbti
Jul. 21st, 2021 06:38 amfor anon <3
i remember i took some quiz abt which nct dream member i'm closest in personality with and i got jeno (i'm intp) so i think that's why i was wondering! i would like to know the explanations for both jeno and jisung
JENO ISTP (TI SE NI FE)
my initial jeno istp thoughts (from like 2020):
"Okay introverted clearly....He seems like an Se user -- athleticism often falls here (not always, but a Lot). Could he be a Ti-dom? (He does like cats...LOL.) That would make him ISTP. See, if he was an Fi-dom that would say ISFP -- but he doesn't seem particularly driven by values. We could put Se lower, but that pulls up Ni -- I can't recall Jeno being so linearly future-oriented, so I think it can't be his dominant trait; it has to be lower."
"I think Jeno is definitely Se-Ni, in some way. He said he likes making things and collected plastic models (Se)....In regards to food, Jeno continually refers back to his childhood experiences influencing his views of his favorite and least favorite foods, but these backward references are generally factual [(Se as opposed to Si)]."
on istpisms:
"istps being the head empty thinkers
only thinking when required
jeno's brain 90% of the time: must touch. must put my face near
jeno the other 10% of the time when he has to take an exam or win a game: galaxybrain.jpg"
on se-isms:
"to me observing people dynamix/vibes/etc is an fe trait! for example, under the assumption jeno is an se-user, he doesn't have nearly as strong an EQ as haechan -- that adaptability to ppl and dynamics in that way is very fe to me. i see se as dealing more with the external physical environment, whereas fe deals with that interpersonal emotional environment, still an external awareness but a focus on a different aspect of it. this is where i see the difference: cafe 7dream, we saw jeno working the machines, making drinks, and that's physical environment. in contrast, haechan was at the front interacting with customers -- making his job interpersonal rather than physical. there were times he did some physical portions like cake-making, etc. but he gravitated to the interpersonal over physical, and jeno did vice versa."
on ti-isms:
"high se-users tend not to be as oriented toward that persuasive-speech/smooth-talking stuff; they're much more about the physicality of the moment. i think [haech] and jeno are similar in that when faced with a challenge or competition, they analyze their situation and decide what angle they're going to take when implementing the task -- to me that points to them both having ti. for an se-user, they're more often going to simply jump into the task and figure it out as they go, but i see that haechan (and jen [sometimes -- he still has se]) usually think before they do something."
JISUNG INTP (TI NE SI FE)
i thought he was infp (fi ne si te) all this while but i guess the one thing that does confirm is that i'm fairly confident he has ne-aux and tert-si. this can be seen in the jensung contrast: jeno is a guy of few words -- his top two functions are about internal thinking and perceiving physical surroundings -- whereas jisung has ne in his top two, which is the brainstorming function. thoughts in his head 24/7 and never shuts up about them according to jeno (who apparently likes that about him).
so the debate is between fi-te and ti-fe. i think i was thrown off by his dancing ability -- which isn't something very commonly associated with intps -- and also his heavily emotional side, which i read as infp. but i forgot to account for jisung is ~dpressed~ and ~also probably has anxiety~ and literally any mentow hewth issues drag u over to infpisms unforch. so i tried to focus beyond those surface-level traits. and i see that he is fascinated by gadgets and devices and how things work and knowledge and the world and shit. that's so intp. specifically ti. the exploration of knowledge for knowledge's sake. mental camp just SCREAMED jisung intp to me. "you are being a follower but u can also be a leader" YEAH. intps tend not to put themselves in a leader position unless it's necessary but they have ti. the strategy function. they can fucken do that shit if they wanted. also that number game, he had his game face on, he had a plan....how very ti of you pwark jwisong. and in 7llin fuckin around w the karaoke machine....his stupid gum container that he bought cos it had a unique mechanism in how it opened/provided a piece of gum....like okay rube goldberg. u can tell he's super in-his-own-head because he did not consider the consequences of that gum container mechanism in that literally any force applied to the bottom would eject a piece of gum....plus we were told that he walks around in circles muttering to himself like an insane person which he claims was him imagining scenarios and responding to them (that would be the ne). also never forget the time he stared at the bark of a tree like a fucken npc....amen.
he is for sure inxp in my mind and i'm willing to bet it is in fact intp rather than infp!! esp comparing to renjun who is very nearly a classic infp; they're similar but there are some subtle differences which set them apart, and i think it might be enough to give them different mbti types. so for now....in my mind....jisung intp.
for anon <3
i definitely see that taegi are closer but they seemed to actively disliked each other back in the day and i don’t see them as being close at all now just have a better understanding of each other and are good co workers. if they weren’t in a group together i don’t see them ever being friends.
i’m ambivalent about taekook because what you say is true but they have also had moments that show they do care about each other and like each other at least vs taegi. taekook i can see as casual not super close but still friends but taegi are straight up coworkers who have learned to be appreciative of each other. i think jungkook in general is just a more playful person now. that’s why he’s also super close to jin now. just with jimin there doesn’t seem to be much of an age barrier as jin obviously who’s 5 years older than him. taehyung is much more calm and chill which is why i think he and namjoon have gotten closer though i argue they were always close. i can see taehyung viewing jungkook as immature from a friendship pov just compared to the people he chooses to hang out with.
but now i wonder do you think vmin friendship is kinda fake? they’ve been showcasing their friendship like jikook but in a straight up friends only way with the song literally friends, talking about how they are soulmates all the time, highlighting their friendship constantly. but this adds to a feeling i’ve been having lately like it’s kind of bullshit or at least exaggerated and fanservice because they know the vmin friendship sells and is the main pure friendship bts ship. i find them really corny. there’s no need to force them to act like besties if they aren’t close anymore. sometimes i think taehyung is as distant to jimin as he is to jungkook, from around 2016. he seems really close to his non bts friends than either of them and i wish they didn’t sell this facade. there are other closer friendships in the group. like how sope obviously aren’t as close anymore, yoongi is closest to jin by miles, so sope is not as highlighted at all anymore and that seems more authentic.
that’s what i really like about dream. their fanservice is really obvious that it’s fanservice and a joke. they’re very open and natural with who are closest but overall have a strong group dynamic. they all have their favorite or closest members but as a core of 7 they all seem to genuinely care and like each other. even the ones who are more distant, when it’s them one on one they have great chemistry and don’t feel awkward at all.
i do think they’ve all grown to appreciate and even love each other and work amazingly as a team but bts comes off a bit fake in comparison but dream have also known each other since they were 12 and 14 and have been together through their entire adolescence which is when you just form really intense attachments to people. even if they’re not your bestie, the bonds you make at that age can be super intense
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i can't say i know taegi super well at all, but as far as what you're saying this all sounds true!! i think a lot of idol groups have that situation, where there are some really good relationships and then there are some where it's like, if we weren't in a group together we would never interact (for example nahyuck ajsdlkfjsd)
i think taekook vs taegi is sort of where the age hierarchy dynamics come in, but also that taekook's personalities were more compatible in the past than taegi's ever was....but in the present where taekook's personalities are /drastically/ different to about the same level of taegi's, them seeming closer than taegi seems to be partially that shared past compatibility combined with age hierarchy automatically placing them closer to each other. i think that jungkook and jin aren't actually THAT close, like they are playful but i don't get the impression that they talk seriously about things, if that makes sense. whereas i think jin helped jimin a lot in the past and was a source of comfort for him, and though they may not be like that now they still have that past of relying on each other. i haven't seen much of taejoon lately so i can't say i know what trajectory they're taking right now....and yeah i think taehyung's new outlook on life is very aligned or compatible with personalities that....are not present in bangtan sdkjfsdsld except for maybe jimin. scream u saying tae thinks jk is immature....i mean maybe!! i recall that time jk was very rude to him in that one vlive....that was very uh. immature of jk imo. and im sure the rest of bangtan thought so too bc like....the mood got real awkward after....so i can see that!!
uh, i don't think vmin is fake!! but in a sense that a) yes i do think they've gotten distant, but b) i do not think they like each other less, just that circumstances (namely jk coming between them) have distanced them in this way. i think tae rly means what he says. i don't think he'd work on entire songs about jimin if he didn't actually care about him that way. he even wanted to sing that christmas song with jimin and was stopped by bighit....(and FUCK bighit) sigh. anyway. so i don't think it's a facade but they also are probably reluctant to reveal that they aren't as close as they used to be -- but i think they still love each other very much. bts is very free in this respect, that they don't really have to push fanservice anymore!! they're rich as shit now, they don't gotta do that, whatever they do will sell. the only time i've seen them do fanservice in recent years is taekook for their japanese fanbase (or so it was speculated by km oomfs so take that with a grain of salt i guess). so i don't think there is any real need for vmin to be pushed -- the bangtan-are-besties agenda works well enough and survives in the eyes of the fandom even when bangtan themselves are distancing, so really hybe/bangtan don't have to do anything at all....the fandom will do it for them.
SCREAM are you armyzen too....what a surprise reading ur dreamies paragraphs. this is true!! they're very transparent, very professional, and fairly comfortable excepting a couple dynamics. i want to note that they're still young, though! if u look at bangtan at that age, they were also all fairly close to each other. we really don't know what's going to happen with dreamies as they age, especially bc we can see their dynamics actively shifting ALREADY right now. certain dynamics are already getting distant and strained. it is true that they are gen z and bangtan are millenials, and i think that's where dreamies take enjoyment out of engaging in fanservice and making it a joke amongst themselves (i'm aware that sm also trains them to not show if they hate it, but we've seen them engage in it when they don't even need to so they really seem to have owned it and made it their own), whereas bangtan clearly hated doing fanservice and didn't hide that. i've kinda noticed that with 4th gen? they embrace fanservice/skinship/being close much more, and it might just be their natural inclination or that they're not as bothered by it, or that mindsets have changed over time, i dunno, lots of factors that i haven't fully rotated in my head....
you're right that they met at a younger age than bangtan did, i really agree with that!! if u grow up with each other at that age, you kinda get through ur worst eras together, and coming out of that u have this bond that is difficult to shake. i think bangtan were brought together by other reasons (small company, broke, already aware they were in the lineup, living together predebut), but what you're saying about that adolescent/middle school age being intensely formative is extremelyyyy true i think u made a fantastic point there. all in all though. i do think there are still some distinctions in age/gen that should be made between dreamies and bangtan before any comparisons are made. i kinda want to explore this further now!! hahahaha....thank u for these really good thoughts nonnie <3
renhyuck thoughtz
May. 7th, 2021 11:44 pmfor anon <3
must. know. renhyuck. thoughts.
the more we see, the more tinhatty I become. and it’s usually the opposite for me with most ships!
Anonymous
bonda
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lovely anon, i apologize for the delay. i wrote a lot for you :3 enjoy:
the beginnings of my renhyuck tinhatting originate in the grandma's house content, when haechan made renjun summarize all the things they did that day. and renjun started listing them, looked right into his eyes....and there was this brief pause. and then he went, "watermelon! watermelon." looked down at the watermelon, and then back at donghyuck, and the sheepish expression he gave him....head tilted to the left, then slowly up, mouth slightly parted, eyes trained on donghyuck in the softest manner imaginable....i can never fucking forget that. my god. that's the moment where i was like, i think renjun has a crush. and all content following that has not only confirmed that for me, but also strongly suggested that haechan LIKES HIM BACK -- /AND/ that both of them are dancing around each other, unable to admit it one way or the other.
i spent so long trying to think of what links i'd include in this but i feel like you could literally point to anything they've done recently and it would point to this conclusion. i can describe a few moments that pop into my mind as very definitive of their pining dynamic....
firstly, that they are all over each other on camera. all those clips of them like "let's break up," being on their "honeymoon," "our concept is newly-weds," to start. and then things like "renjun fits perfectly in my arms," putting those stickers that represent a precious item on each others' foreheads, "watch me only" on the teacup ride, hello82 intimate boom dance. not to mention everything happening in 7illin, including haechan treating renjun like the one girl the guys let play on their team, then coddle her, treat her like she's fragile, and are thoroughly surprised when she does well....and how hyuck rearranged the bed arrangements so he could be close to renjun....(i haven't finished watching 7illin but i've been kept updated with some clips....like the bed cuddling....they r truly obsessed with one another and we know it's not company cpisms because THEY ARE NOT EVEN A CP PUSHED BY THE COMPANY)
then, you have them off-camera. idk if anyone else has noticed but as far as i can recall during these past few months, haechan has only talked about gaming with jeno, and renjun has only mentioned hanging out with jisung and jeno. correct me if i'm wrong, but they haven't talked about doing things with each other. the only activity we know they have in common is going to chenle's house to see daegal (and chenle i guess....but i think we know daegal is the pull factor here). so what gives? they don't even fight as much as they used to. they're actually one of the most in-tune, well-suited pairings in the group. during vlives (which i consider to be more honest about dynamics, because they're live and unedited), there are no signs of distance between them; they sit next to each other and talk & interact casually throughout. hell, renjun even felt up haechan's stomach in the recent 00z vlive (the ust....). so why are they not as obnoxiously interactive as they are on-camera?
pulling from a very recent twt thread convo with kels and kelly, this is my theory:
"renjun can't figure out how much of haech's actions toward him are for the camera and haechan doesn't have the courage to do anything when there's NOT a camera
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i can see rj pining 4 him, bewildered but accepting of his advances bc he craves it so....but dh turns it down offcam and it throws him off, he doesn't know where he stands....& then dh can barely keep it tgt oncam did u see how he lost his cool right after what he did on hello82"
also from yesterday's convo with kels:
[9:22 AM] kels: renjun just needs to realise hyuck likes him
[9:24 AM] cha: whereas hyuck is incapable of being vulnerable enough to let him realize
that's like the summarized conclusion of my thoughts on their dynamic. i keep looking at it and trying to elaborate but that's really it. they are dancing around each other. and they will continue to do so until something changes for them, whether that change is internal (between the two of them) or external (outside intervention). as i said to moch and kels the other day, "renjun womanisms are canonical and there's nothing we can do except watch hyuck feed into them." and that's rly all we can do. we're really just going to have to watch and see how this plays out.
(feel free to ask for the links to whichever moments i've mentioned here, i'd be happy to provide those based on which ones people recall/don't recall/haven't seen etc etc)
[p.s. anon, i went to go confirm the wordings of the moments i mentioned and MY FUCKING GOD. i just discovered something even more incriminating for these two. licherally insane dw post incoming (so tinhatty that i might have to friendslock it unless other people want it too)....when i say i haven't felt this way since KOOKMIN....i will. go document my potential findings now]