this tinhat contains so much delusion, it might astound you

i am guy who needs a definite answer all the time so much and seeks it out constantly and so....having conducted so many deepdives on this exact topic....here is my summary of evidences:

> SUBTLE THINGS:

b) jimin specifically said he does not cook. and in that one thing where they were writing the profile for another member of the group, jin was writing for jimin right. and he had to write what each member was to jimin. and for jungkook, jin wrote "jungkook is my chef"

c) jimin brought up that jungkook's morning alarm is an autotuned baby's cry

d) jimin also described how jungkook snores, in detail

e) and that one time they had that question that was like "what do u like to do in the morning" and jimin was like "i like to see jungkook's face"

f) i don't know this myself because i don't rly watch current bangtan content but i hear they're "filming content in the dorm now" aka the dorm exists as a concept and not as an actual living space (i don't know if they're still filming 'dorm content' anymore but at one point they were)

i think you might've gathered from even just this much that a) the members do not live together anymore, and b) jikook seem to be living together. there is a lot more evidence but these are the most directly correlated to them living together. they keep referring to things that u could only know if u lived with someone or saw them around nighttime. and it seems like they were/are the only two that live together, because none of the other members have volunteered information at this level of intimacy about literally any of the other members, much less abt jm or jk.

i really wonder if its like a think they agreed with bighit to pretend abt or if its contractual....like did bighit say u better pretend ur a boyband to the extent we want or were they like fine we will pretend for a few more years. i have no answers for this i just think about it a lot

> APARTMENTS:

bts have bought like apartments in really expensive places like trimage, hannam hill, etc. it was hobi first in 2016, then the others followed over the years. jungkook was notably second: in 2016, he bought an apartment in trimage, which i heard was for his parents. then in 2018, he bought another apartment at trimage, presumably for himself. NOTABLY, jimin had not bought an apartment up until this point, but by 2019 every other member had.

~according to my sources~, jungkook then sold his trimage apartment in july 2020 (sale registered october 2020). and in december 2020, he bought a house in itaewon. combining a couple sources, though, it seems that this house was being rented out to "the representation of an international holding" from 2019 and will be rented out to them until september 2021. so he is not living there, and he sold his trimage apartment. furthermore, to register the itaewon house he bought, jungkook listed a nine one hannam address, and he also used that nine one hannam address to vote that year. and EVEN FURTHERMORE, in august when jungkook had already sold trimage and had not even purchased the itaewon house yet, he had someone come into his apartment twice to install a soundproof booth (and gave him an autograph for his sister). so we have to wonder....is his studio at nine one hannam? at a place he didn't even purchase? (note: jimin has still not bought a place of his own.)

in may 2021, namjoon officially became the owner of an apartment at nine one hannam, and one day after that jimin also became an owner of his own apartment at nine one hannam. (namjoon's was more expensive, because it has a terrace.) there was that one repairman that saw jimin at nine one hannam, but apparently he was told there were 3 members living in nine one hannam.

if we look at this apartment history, we can see that the times that jungkook and jimin owned and lived in their own purchased apartments have not coincided even once. furthermore, we can be fairly confident that jimin and namjoon are in nine one hannam, and most likely the third member at nine one hannam is jungkook. jungkook could either be staying at an apartment of his own there and simply not purchased it under his own name (which i believe he was doing in 2020 when he no longer owned trimage and was renting out his itaewon house), or -- and i find this is more likely to be true in 2021, considering all the other factors listed above in SUBTLE THINGS -- he is living with jimin at nine one hannam.

i would even go a step further and say that perhaps jimin bought the apartment jungkook was staying in, and that both of them are now living in that apartment with the soundproof booth jungkook got installed in 2020. because when i think of that -- it solves all the remaining questions. like why is jungkook staying at nine one hannam and getting a soundproof booth installed there instead of his itaewon house? and why would jungkook get a soundproof booth installed in an apartment he hasn't already bought and isn't buying? both questions are resolved if we consider the possibility that jimin bought that apartment under his name, and they're both living there together.

i hope this is helpful nonnie >_< i tried to be comprehensive since u r new!! but i think most ppl don't even know this stuff even if they are km truther so i may have went overboard haha

this very much hinges on the proposed mbti types of each bangtan member from this site: https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

NAMJOON: 4w5, "the bohemian"

type 4:

(a very very unusual istp. i believe his istp nature is at odds with his 4w5 intellectual intentions, and this is where his seeming contradictions and internal dichotomies arise.)

https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

“Okay so I had the most trouble when typing Rap Monster because he is just so unlike the traditional descriptions of his type; or maybe I was just over analyzing everything he was saying.”

(i had debated between 5w4 and 4w5 but i think the differences between namjoon and yoongi emphasize the difference between namjoon's "bohemian" nature and yoongi's "iconoclast" nature. they go about things in similar ways and have complimentary ideas but in the end their personal outlooks are different. yoongi is also much more of a thinker type than namjoon is, in the sense that yoongi prefers and values that logic and practicality whereas namjoon is fully capable of being logical and practical but chooses to focus on the philosophical and artistic side of life.)

wing 5:

https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

“Then it was just a matter of debating between ISTP and INTP. His thoughts are very deep and theoretical which is a typical INTP trait BUT he has no Ne.”

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/3/

“The Type 5 ISTP may find themselves particularly reliant on their introverted thinking and introverted intuition functions, and may find extroverted sensing to be somewhat of a blind spot, as they rarely feel comfortable acting until they have thoroughly scrutinized a given circumstance. This type of ISTP is most likely to be mistaken as an INTP by others, as they may be less quick to act upon their impulses than other Se-driven types.”

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-4

“Enneagram Four with a Three-Wing: "The Aristocrat"”

vs.

“Enneagram Four with a Five-Wing: "The Bohemian"”

(i believe “the bohemian” suits namjoon’s general approach to life very very well.)

SEOKJIN: 9w8, "the referee"

(extremely difficult to type -- which makes type nine all the more fitting.)

type 9:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-9

“Basic Desire: To have inner stability "peace of mind"”

“We have sometimes called the Nine *the crown of the Enneagram* because it is at the top of the symbol and because it seems to include the whole of it. Nines can have the strength of Eights, the sense of fun and adventure of Sevens, the dutifulness of Sixes, the intellectualism of Fives, the creativity of Fours, the attractiveness of Threes, the generosity of Twos, and the idealism of Ones. However, what they generally do not have is a sense of really inhabiting themselves—a strong sense of their own identity.”

“Ironically, therefore, the only type the Nine is not like is the Nine itself. Being a separate self, an individual who must assert herself against others, is terrifying to Nines. They would rather melt into someone else or quietly follow their idyllic daydreams.”

wing 8:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-8

“Basic Fear: Of being harmed or controlled by others

Basic Desire: To protect themselves (to be in control of their own life and destiny)”

“Eights are the true “rugged individualists” of the Enneagram. More than any other type, they stand alone. They want to be independent, and resist being indebted to anyone. They often refuse to “give in” to social convention, and they can defy fear, shame, and concern about the consequences of their actions. Although they are usually aware of what people think of them, they do not let the opinions of others sway them.”

YOONGI: 5w4, "the iconoclast"

type 5:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/6/

“These INTJs are, almost without exception, avid independent researchers. They take everything they read or hear about with a grain of salt – distrusting everything right down to the physical world that surrounds them until they have independently assessed it from every possible angle.”

“At their core, this type believes that their self-worth is dependent upon their competence and capability. They are constantly moving away from feelings of helplessness and incompetence, and toward feelings of understanding and capability.”

wing 4:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-5

“Enneagram Five with a Four-Wing: "The Iconoclast"

vs.

“Enneagram Five with a Six-Wing: "The Problem Solver"”

(“the iconoclast” suits yoongi so well. like. itz him.)

HOSEOK: 2w3, "the host/hostess"

type 2:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/15/

“Type 2 ENFJs are highly outgoing, sociable and friendly in nature. They tend to be active members of their community and are often heavily involved with charity work or helping professions. Being intuitive-auxiliary types, the ENFJ will aim to provide assistance to those around them not just in a practical sense but on a deep emotional level.”

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/15/

“At their core, the type 2 ENFJ believes that they are worthy only insofar as they are helpful to others. They are constantly moving away from feelings of uselessness and towards feelings of love, validation and acceptance. They are most similar in nature to their sensing cousin-type, the ESFJ.”

wing 3:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-2

“Enneagram Two with a One-Wing: "Servant"”

vs.

“Enneagram Two with a Three-Wing: "The Host/Hostess"”

(this one is also a no-brainer. he’s soooo “the host/hostess” is there even a question about this.)

JIMIN: 3w2, "the charmer"

(unique case: type 3 is rarer to find in esfps, but i think jimin demonstrates type 3 traits as core to his personality more so than he does type 2.)

type 3:

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-3

“Threes are self-assured, attractive, and charming. Ambitious, competent, and energetic, they can also be status-conscious and highly driven for advancement. They are diplomatic and poised, but can also be overly concerned with their image and what others think of them. They typically have problems with workaholism and competitiveness. *At their Best*: self-accepting, authentic, everything they seem to be—role models who inspire others.”

“Key Motivations: Want to be affirmed, to distinguish themselves from others, to have attention, to be admired, and to impress others.”

wing 2:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/13/

“Type 2 ESFPs are extremely warm and welcoming – wanting to make others feel comfortable and supported at all costs. Though they are energetic in nature, they are incredibly patient when it comes to supporting the people they love, and make for great listeners and practical problem-solvers. These types will go well out of their way to help the people they love, whether that means offering them practical assistance, taking them out to get their mind off things, or having a long, encouraging conversation about how the other person is feeling. Type 2 ESFPs are often highly in touch with their introverted feeling and are very insightful about the desires, fears and motivations of others.”

“They are constantly moving away from feelings of insignificance and towards feelings of love and appreciation. They are most like their extroverted-feeling dominant friends, ESFJs.”

https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

“Jimin was one of the easiest for me to type. I did think he had Fe for a while because he is just so thoughtful and the members described him as being the one who listens to all their problems the best which didn’t really strike me as an ESFP trait (no offense to all the ESFPs out there).”

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-3

“Enneagram Three with a Two-Wing: "The Charmer"”

vs.

“Enneagram Three with a Four-Wing: "The Professional"”

(both of these suit him but i was confident he had type 2 to some degree, much more than he has 4, i think. i could technically see both because he does have a very strong sense of individuality and artistic identity etc etc as a type 4 would have….but “the charmer” was just too perfect haha)

TAEHYUNG: 7w8, "the realist"

type 7:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/9/

“Type 7 ENTPs tend to be energetic, explorative and wildly imaginative – placing a heavy emphasis on their extroverted intuition and preferring the pursuit of new ideas to their corresponding follow-through. This type of ENTP is likely to jump from experience to experience throughout the course of their lives – harnessing their natural entrepreneurial skills to cultivate unique opportunities for themselves that deviate from the societal norm. They are highly independent and dislike being constrained, but they have less of a desire to control the world around them than their type 8 counterparts. Rather, they enjoy manipulating their environments for fun, and as a means of avoiding stagnancy.”

“At their core, type 7 ENTPs are driven by the fear of becoming trapped, stuck or stagnant in their lives. They are constantly moving away from deprivation and toward variety and abundance. These ENTPs are most similar to their sensory-oriented cousin, the ESTP.”

https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

“Suga once said that “he’s immature and isn’t able to become serious. It seems like he doesn’t care what others think,” and this really made me think of Ti. Since Fe is a tertiary function in ENTPs, and because he’s so young, it can be hard to adjust to other people’s feelings. But he find it super easy to make friends with people (especially with his father Daehyun), and often mentions how he has a lot of friends because he isn’t picky or judgmental and people are drawn to hat about him (a typical ENTP trait). He has this extra childishness that comes with being young and that’s why his Ti isn’t that prominent unless you really devour everything he says like I did.”

wing 8:

https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

something taehyung said himself: “"I have a motto that came from my father: “What is that that’s so important.” It has a lot of meaning. I have moments where I’m tired, annoyed, and don’t want to do things. But whenever I think of these words, those things become nothing. If you endure through it, good things will come your way. My father ingrained this into my head so whenever I’m at hardship, I think of these words so I hope we never forget this.””

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-8

“Thayer is a stockbroker who has worked intensively on understanding her type Eight personality. She recounts a childhood incident in which she could clearly see the development of this pattern.

“Much of my tenacity and toughness comes from my Dad. He always told me not to ‘let anybody push you around.’ It was not okay to cry. I learned to master my weaker side early on. At the tender age of eight, a huge horse ran away with me. When an adult caught the horse, I resolutely dismounted without a tear. I could tell my father was proud.””

https://enneagrampaths.com/2020/07/17/enneagram-types-7w6-vs-7w8/

“They can seem less friendly than the 7w6, but only because they care less about what others think and refuse to be put into boxes. This natural ability to be themselves then extends to others, creating space for healthy individuality and uniqueness.”

JUNGKOOK: 6w7, "the buddy"

type 6:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2016/01/mbti-and-the-enneagram-2/10/

“Type 6 ISFJs are highly security-oriented. Their core fear is that they are unable to provide for themselves and so they are incredibly loyal and diligent to people around them – believing that having strong social support will bring them security.”

“Type 6 ISFJs place a strong trust in societal institutions and organizations – which is exaggerated by their dominant introverted sensing function. They are likely to seek out jobs, affiliations and group memberships that are long lasting and mutually reciprocal. They are incredibly loyal to the institutions they involve themselves in, deriving a sense of security from the consistency of their involvement. Type 6 ISFJs are constantly moving away from feelings of inadequacy and toward feelings of support and guidance. They most closely resemble their ISTJ cousins, in that they are diligent, hardworking and loyal as a rule.”

https://kpopmbti.tumblr.com/post/122978561666/rap-monster-istp-i-just-want-to-say-that-im

“He’s described as being kind, innocent, and bad at expressing his feelings. He’s also super bad at refusing requests. I definitely think that he has Fe rather than Te but it’s harder to notice because of how withdrawn he is. Hes always said how uncomfortable he is speaking in front of people and in interviews so that is definitely an indicator that his Fe isn’t as developed as it should be because he is so closed off. But his manners are still first class like how he he’s aware of social norms.”

“The actions he takes reflect what he’s done in the past depending on what has and hasn’t worked for him. For example when he’s reading he thinks “If I read, then I’ll become better at speaking then I am now, right?” He often mentions how he’s changed compared to his trainee days. The words he lives by are that passion is imperative in order to grow and that passion is fueled by accumulated experiences.”

wing 7:

(i believe that jungkook's wing 7 is quite strong and this is what makes him such an unusually impulsive, active, and playful isfj.)

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-6

“Enneagram Six with a Five-Wing: "The Defender"”

vs.

“Enneagram Six with a Seven-Wing: "The Buddy"”

(both roles could suit him but i think we can all agree that he is very much not a thinker type 5. lol)

it is true that jm and jk were always close, and tae and jk were close at one point too. i remember that a lot of the bangtan members used to call tae "immature" in yearly profiles (back in his 4d days), and in recent years they began to say he has matured. uh, i hate to bring this up bc it feels intrusive but it's true i think that losing his grandmother in late 2016 changed smth about him. he became very serious from that moment on; something about him sobered up, in a sense. then his close friend passed away in late 2017. and even though i don't think him and jonghyun were close friends, that passing impacted all of kpop and i'm sure it affected him too. his grandfather passed mid-2018 as well. it's possible that this created a disconnect between him and the rest of maknaeline, because even though everyone experienced the effects of jonghyun's passing, no one in bts has experienced as much loss as taehyung. he lost someone close to him every year from 2016 to 2018.

like u r saying, jungkook said in soop that tae becoming reserved made it hard for them to connect the way they used to, because they were playful back then. but notably taehyung says none of those things. he only says that they were "partners in crime" back then, but he doesn't mention a disconnect in personality the way jungkook does. (i just rewatched it: https://youtu.be/Bsyg2puVOGw) we can see that jimin and taehyung actually seem much more amiable and playful, at the beginning of this clip. we also know that taekook is the pair that had become significantly distanced, and vmin were not distanced to that extent. it's only jungkook and taehyung that have this particular type of tension. then -- icb i didn't notice or didn't see this before -- taehyung openly admits that he feels like he isn't loved, that he goes on weverse to feel like he is receiving love, and at night in bed that feeling evaporates....and not being able to see the love from fans with his own eyes has exacerbated that. he literally tells us this.

this is a bit subjective, but the way he says "we were partners in crime" suggests to me that he missed it. it's a source of nostalgia for him. the way he says that, i don't think he thinks he's too mature for them. it's not that jimin and jungkook haven't matured too. i think he wants to be close with them. but his life experiences took a trajectory that changed the way he is drastically, and while he may have wanted to remain close with jimin and jungkook, jungkook found it difficult to connect with this new kimtae -- and while jimin wanted to hang out with taehyung as usual and doesn't seem to feel a disconnect w kimtae's changed personality, jungkook began to dominate his time. and kimtae, who was losing loved ones one by one, and was now losing his connections with his closest links in bangtan -- no wonder he felt like he wasn't loved, ykwim? his life turned upside-down. he got closer to his actor friends, because what else was he supposed to do? jm and jk were (are) closer than ever, and more often than not it was (and still is) just the two of them. he reached out to people (his actor friends) who would reciprocate his affection, make him feel less alone. (T_T i know most people don't want to believe bangtan have insecurities like the rest of us but they are human too....)

but ofc distancing from a difficult connection and choosing to strengthen other ones doesn't magically heal existing rifts. the clip didn't show it, and unfortunately i forgot who initiated the soop convo in the first place, but lovely leaf reminded me that kimtae got jimin to help him have that serious talk with jungkook, which means kimtae did in fact want to fix things. he didn't think he was too mature for them; he wanted to be close again. and he finally took the initiative in soop.

and then we can see the results of how trying to heal those rifts has made him happier in butter era. butter era vlives....the smile on his face....it was like his younger self. it was like he felt loved again. i think if we look closely, we can find quite a few idols going thru dpression eras and coming out of them like they were reborn, like they're reinvigorated, like they are their old selves again. it's a noticeable pattern, imo (see, for example, najaem and lele). and kimtae's arc fits right into it.

so overall/tldr; i don't think kimtae felt too mature for jm and jk necessarily, because he eventually took initiative in soop to have a serious talk with jungkook and reconnect. he himself catalyzed the mending of their relationship.

a list i owed dazzie for a loooong time....sorry daz....counting down from 10 to 1:

10. mma 2018

nothing can beat the experience of scrolling thru the pics of that day during genetics class truly nothing my heart was about to beat out of my fucking chest

9. jk only ever giving presents to jm and the members calling him out for it || any moment demonstrating jk's treatment of jimin vs jk's treatment of the other members

this was one of the early indicators of ~jk special treatment of jm~ that i think people only really began to pick up later. it cracks me up that jk could not defend himself, like this man really just went and did it no thoughts head empty other than his MASSIVE burgeoning crush on jimin compelling him to buy a bday gift despite never having done that before for any member of the group, EVER. consistently since then he's very clearly treated jimin differently from the rest of bangtan. it's almost like how haechan treated renj like the girl on the team when they played foot volleyball in 7llin -- jimin's not really a renjun, but there's a softness to how jungkook treats him compared to the others. it's just so CRYSTAL CLEAR to me in those moments, that's why i love witnessing them.

8. namseok talking about jk being a homebody and how jm likes bringing jk places to show him things

close observer perspective of kookmin's relationship. kookmin themselves tell us they're similar and "click," but namseok give us another dimension to their rs.

7. "shameless?" japanese interview in 2018

i can't explain it but the look on jungkook's face as he said, "he takes care of me well," was the most innuendo-filled look he's ever given. this was also a massively revolutionary moment in kookmin canon within the context of that year, like arguably the turning point in that they began acting shamelessly obvious about their relationship. and as we know, mma 2018 happened later that year.

6. (jm picking their matching pinky moles for jk's bday as per that year's birthday bangtan festivities/activities && jk choosing ALL OF JM as his favorite body part on jm's bday) || (jm's tokyo vlog && jk's gcf tokyo) ==> (jm's "US" vs jk's "HIM")

whoever it was that said jm makes it about "US" and jk makes it about "HIM" was so correct. every damn time.

5. "jungkook is my happy virus/pill" (ft. jin saying as much to jm) and "jimin is my catalyst/stimulant"

directly informing us what they mean to each other, what they find most meaningful about each other in relation to them....

4. gcf saipan

i'm in love with how it demonstrates jungkook's love for jimin in his beautiful ethereal moments AND his silly stupid moments. he loves all of it. in every moment, jimin still shines for him.

3. "i am similar to him" "we click" (https://twitter.com/MyraKM9597/status/1146101935315062784?s=20) (https://twitter.com/gcfKM57/status/1059818819793965057?s=20) (https://twitter.com/lovemazejikook/status/1321065395726381057?s=21)

this is literally them directly telling us why they think their relationship works. the core, the ~essence~ of kookmin.

2. km trying to carry each other during a lull in the practice room (https://twitter.com/Peaches_BTS/status/1293819688384729088?s=20) (https://twitter.com/Peaches_BTS/status/1307176622433345537?s=20)

this is my pick-me-up when i'm sad. wholesome affection....just pure love....being silly just for the sake of it, tiny details of overwhelming affection for one another, a joke just for themselves amidst everyone in the practice room....

1. sys tour when jk started crying and jm comforted him, held his face in the sweetest, most intimate manner.... (https://twitter.com/lizettem1325/status/1206826813797761025?s=19) (https://twitter.com/TATA11503/status/1275756890765447169?s=19) (https://twitter.com/JIKOOKDAILY/status/1189179066290593792)

indescribable, the emotion this clip evokes in me. love is real i think TT__TT

i can't say i know taegi super well at all, but as far as what you're saying this all sounds true!! i think a lot of idol groups have that situation, where there are some really good relationships and then there are some where it's like, if we weren't in a group together we would never interact (for example nahyuck ajsdlkfjsd)

i think taekook vs taegi is sort of where the age hierarchy dynamics come in, but also that taekook's personalities were more compatible in the past than taegi's ever was....but in the present where taekook's personalities are /drastically/ different to about the same level of taegi's, them seeming closer than taegi seems to be partially that shared past compatibility combined with age hierarchy automatically placing them closer to each other. i think that jungkook and jin aren't actually THAT close, like they are playful but i don't get the impression that they talk seriously about things, if that makes sense. whereas i think jin helped jimin a lot in the past and was a source of comfort for him, and though they may not be like that now they still have that past of relying on each other. i haven't seen much of taejoon lately so i can't say i know what trajectory they're taking right now....and yeah i think taehyung's new outlook on life is very aligned or compatible with personalities that....are not present in bangtan sdkjfsdsld except for maybe jimin. scream u saying tae thinks jk is immature....i mean maybe!! i recall that time jk was very rude to him in that one vlive....that was very uh. immature of jk imo. and im sure the rest of bangtan thought so too bc like....the mood got real awkward after....so i can see that!!

uh, i don't think vmin is fake!! but in a sense that a) yes i do think they've gotten distant, but b) i do not think they like each other less, just that circumstances (namely jk coming between them) have distanced them in this way. i think tae rly means what he says. i don't think he'd work on entire songs about jimin if he didn't actually care about him that way. he even wanted to sing that christmas song with jimin and was stopped by bighit....(and FUCK bighit) sigh. anyway. so i don't think it's a facade but they also are probably reluctant to reveal that they aren't as close as they used to be -- but i think they still love each other very much. bts is very free in this respect, that they don't really have to push fanservice anymore!! they're rich as shit now, they don't gotta do that, whatever they do will sell. the only time i've seen them do fanservice in recent years is taekook for their japanese fanbase (or so it was speculated by km oomfs so take that with a grain of salt i guess). so i don't think there is any real need for vmin to be pushed -- the bangtan-are-besties agenda works well enough and survives in the eyes of the fandom even when bangtan themselves are distancing, so really hybe/bangtan don't have to do anything at all....the fandom will do it for them.

SCREAM are you armyzen too....what a surprise reading ur dreamies paragraphs. this is true!! they're very transparent, very professional, and fairly comfortable excepting a couple dynamics. i want to note that they're still young, though! if u look at bangtan at that age, they were also all fairly close to each other. we really don't know what's going to happen with dreamies as they age, especially bc we can see their dynamics actively shifting ALREADY right now. certain dynamics are already getting distant and strained. it is true that they are gen z and bangtan are millenials, and i think that's where dreamies take enjoyment out of engaging in fanservice and making it a joke amongst themselves (i'm aware that sm also trains them to not show if they hate it, but we've seen them engage in it when they don't even need to so they really seem to have owned it and made it their own), whereas bangtan clearly hated doing fanservice and didn't hide that. i've kinda noticed that with 4th gen? they embrace fanservice/skinship/being close much more, and it might just be their natural inclination or that they're not as bothered by it, or that mindsets have changed over time, i dunno, lots of factors that i haven't fully rotated in my head....

you're right that they met at a younger age than bangtan did, i really agree with that!! if u grow up with each other at that age, you kinda get through ur worst eras together, and coming out of that u have this bond that is difficult to shake. i think bangtan were brought together by other reasons (small company, broke, already aware they were in the lineup, living together predebut), but what you're saying about that adolescent/middle school age being intensely formative is extremelyyyy true i think u made a fantastic point there. all in all though. i do think there are still some distinctions in age/gen that should be made between dreamies and bangtan before any comparisons are made. i kinda want to explore this further now!! hahahaha....thank u for these really good thoughts nonnie <3

NONNIE WOWW I GOT SO EXCITED GETTING THIS MESSAGE. it's so sweet of u to call pre-gcft kmers "og kmers"....we're like 2nd gen og and people back in '13/'14 are 1st gen. i actually shared this cc with a 2014 kmer, moch (to which she said, "anon u should ask what it was like in 2014... we was in the trenches fighting" LOL), and we started talking about separations -- generations if u will -- of kmers. this is what i came up with:

[6:21 PM] cha:

arguably 3rd gen could be divided further (EDIT: i do divide it further later in this cc answer, that division point being rose bowl) but i think this is where the waves of kmers divide most clearly:

1st gen kmers >> 2013 up to 2015 pre-osaka incident

2nd gen kmers >> 2015 post-osaka up to 2017 pre-gcft

3rd gen kmers >> 2017 post-gcft up to now

so in this scenario i'd be a 2nd gen kmer and moch would be 1st gen. divisions being between the first obvious change in dynamic (osaka incident) and second obvious change in dynamic (gcft).

anyway, sorry u didn't ask for that at all lmfao....all that aside, to answer your actual question: IT WAS INDEED SO EXHILARATING!!!! when i think back they were one of the things that kept me going, seeing them consistently and proudly demonstrate their love for each other really helped me in what was probably the worst period of my life....it gave me something to smile about :") i remember i'd be in class scrolling twitter like ?@#$@?#$235?##? (i ESPECIALLY remember witnessing the pics from mma 2018 during my genetics class. when i tell u my heart was clenched tight with overwhelming happiness, and amazement, and simultaneously bewilderment, as if it was the first time i'd ever seen the two of them....)

one thing to know about me is i doubt myself /so much/ while tinhatting, so i'll keep trying to investigate and confirm again and again for my mind to be at ease. back then, i read a lot of theories on tumblr, particularly post-gcft (which is what really pushed me over the edge into full-blown tinhatting) up to like, pre-mma 2018 maybe....i screenshotted a lot of them too (if someone asks me to find them maybe i will) and back in 2017/early 2018 we sort of needed those theories yknow, bc they weren't as obvious as they are now. we needed people to point out the strange little things that added up to this conclusion that maybe jimin and jungkook have something going on.

2018 was probably the best year for kookmin moments. TONS of selfies and content, not even including the gcfs released that year. the two that come to mind immediately from 2018 are the "shameless" japanese interview, and then of course -- mma 2018. um, can one even be kookminist without knowing about that. i would very much like to question the boyz hyunjae about what he heard that night, like i don't need confirmation but i would LIKE it yknowyknow

uh, 2019, 2020, and 2021 were/are pretty dry compared to 2018, aside from a select few moments (per year i mean, combined they probably amount to 2018 or more). (and of course excluding rose bowl. god. maybe we need to separate the kmers from before rose bowl and after rose bowl into 3rd and 4th gen kmers, because it seems like that was a big converter moment too.) if u look closer at those years though....there are some things they've revealed to us that indicate that they're still going strong, stronger than ever even....not just in how lovingly they look at each other, but in a quantifiable way. multiple quantifiable ways. that probably requires a whole other cc answer or dw post to discuss though.

it feels great to be continually proven right though, even when they're not as loud. i mentioned being insecure/doubting myself when tinhatting -- kookmin has reached a level beyond that. i really can't think of any doubts i have about them. i feel secure in thinking they're together, even when we don't see them, even when i'm not reading theories (what theories do we even need anymore lmao. they're right there). when i see them now i'm like oh there goes those two lovebirds, doing their thing <3 loving each other unconditionally <3

and considering jungkook believes in destiny, and jimin's was pretty much in love with jungkook for so long before jungkook ever liked him back....it seems like they'll be happy together for a long time. after all, they "click." T____T <3

wahhh hello hello <3 lovely to meet fellow members of the km community. i used to ship (or at least read fics for) namjin and sope, and even yoonmin on occasion (thank u jonghyunslisterine for the yoonminkook fic that converted me), but i've pretty much left those behind now (well....sope is complicated....i will detail in just a sec). i do have some fav dynamics (apologies for being so tinhatty it's an important part of my personal understanding of The Lore):

- kookmin!! u asked what makes them so special to me -- it's the way they treat each other, you can just tell how familiar they are, how in-tune ("we click" T__T), they are so in love and it's so precious to see....i could go on about them. like not to get ahead of ourselves but. i really think they're the closest thing to a match made in heaven

- vmin is a sweet dynamic but complicated, imo. i think the new, more mature, more serious kimtae can sometimes start to retreat into his shell a bit but jimin's always there to gently coax him back out. oomfs and i have discussed how we think kookmin getting together is what placed wedges between both taekook and vmin -- and it's no slight against kimtae, they obviously care about him (jimin i don't have to explain, it's obvious he loves kimtae a lot even if he spends most of his time with jungkook now; for jungkook, him reaching out in soop to become closer with tae again speaks to how he still wants to maintain their relationship, he still cares about preserving it + evidenced by recent clip of them wiping their ping pong paddles on each other like the old playful taekook....i cri). it's sad but it's natural, i think, for people to drift apart a bit. a lot of oomf discussion centered around how whenever kimtae mentions wanting to call jimin over during vlive and jimin is with jungkook, it's pretty obvious that he's a bit disappointed (more than a bit). about a month ago i said, "in a way kimtae is one of the most honest in the group abt his feelings regarding things so it reads like he's trying to tell us without directly saying so, because he can't actually reveal all." i think this still holds true. he can't exactly tell us everything but he's not trying to hide it either, is what i think.

- sope is also interesting to me. i said earlier that i don't ship it anymore, and yeah i don't (i was never intense about any ship except kookmin tbf), but i kinda always got the impression that it was like, romantically onesided? so to set the stage, i don't think i really need to but yknow, yoongi being pretty clear about not being straight is established lore. and then there are instances such as: during that one run ep where they were filming that dalbang dorm "drama," where hobi was leaning over yoongi or something, and all of a sudden he asks yoongi, "why are your ears all red?" and yoongi just kinda waves it off???? like what was that???? i kinda got the impression that yoongi may have liked hobi (in the past maybe, i can't speak for now) but hobi was just always super oblivious to it and not interested in yoongi that way. this one is really tinhatty i'm sorry lmfao

- yoonjin is very sweet to me....they are like domestic marrieds going on fishing trips and just indulging each other....something so romantic about that, regardless of the nature of their relationship yknow

- minjoon is very fascinating to me, because they're so sweet on each other by themselves, but there's also an added dynamic of jungkook constantly inserting himself between them. idk if this comparison will land but minjoon is so (nct) johnten in a way, except if there was somebody with a vested interest in making sure johnten stayed platonic the way jungkook seems to be about minjoon. like what has jungkook feeling so threatened? is it that he himself admires and looks up to namjoon so he's inherently a threat? was jimin interested in joon at one point, or is that the impression jungkook gets? bangtan dynamics unsolved methinks, alongside whatever sope has going on

- rapline is funny to me just cos of that time they had to sleep in the same bed and they no-homoed it by placing pillows between them....like truly comedy to me lmfao. also that one tweet using the ship dynamic stick figures meme for namgiseok, with two people making out saying, "we've lived together for ten years" and one person on the side going, "i have also lived with you for ten years"....like yeah that's them....cracks me up

- jinmin is really sweet to me because i feel like they confide in each other, or at least did in the past. jimin's usually the one listening to other ppl's problems but i think jin is rly there for him as the oldest and also being pretty calm-collected-approachable. i'm always thinking about how jimin described jungkook as his "happy pill" and said that once he was laughing at something jungkook said/did and jin said smth like "i think jungkook makes you laugh a lot/makes you happy." like that kind of line has to stem from a prior conversation, right? it's too out-of-the-blue not to be, is what i think. i personally think jimin confided (maybe still confides) in jin about jungkook specifically, if nothing else.

- namkook is interesting to me but also only in the context of the ongoing kookminjoon bangtan unsolved thing, and also that jungkook decided basically his entire career path upon witnessing guy-he's-never-met rapping that's kinda crazy but also he was like 13 so

i cannot think of any more but if i do i'll add to this....or u can ask me abt a dynamic specifically for more thoughts <3